Macromere: Merry Christmas.
David: Merry Christmas. We’re okay saying that?
M: After reading “Radu”, we’d say we are.
D: It does take place on Christmas Day….
M: And this—the thirteenth and penultimate episode in He Who Shall Remain Shameless—has some religious overtones, we feel. There is, for example, that arresting line the Meritocrat has: “If you know God, don’t go outside.” Care to illuminate at all?
D: I’m afraid I’m not going to be much help in the way of explaining either “Radu” or “Katherine” [the novel’s final episode]. I’ve never been one to reveal a lot of insight into my work. I’ve always been more of the “let the reader read into and take from it what they will” mindset. I am coming around to the fact that I’m going to have to explain more for a lot of situations, but I hope it’s okay if this situation is one of those where very little is explained.
M: That’s fine with us. We appreciate ambiguity—and “Radu” has plenty of that.
D: Things do come to a head here, but yeah, I’d say there’s still plenty left in the shadows.
M: We get a bit more about the conflict between Ishmael and the Meritocrat that goes way back, and there’s insinuation that David’s parents’ demise may not be what it’s seemed for the previous twelve episodes….
D: That and the main themes driving the novel—all that I was able to draw out through the action and the dialog, but still, the reader’s going to have to piece the big picture together ultimately.
M: Fair enough.
D: I really do feel a lot of HWSRS is best left open to interpretation. But I will say I spent quite a bit of time with “Radu” to get it right. I’d initially intended to have this one feature the spirit of the former Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, or Ceausescu’s son, or someone closely connected to the regime of the ’60s, ’70s and ’80s, and that was going to be the ultimate confrontation, with that particular ghost. But midway through writing “Radu” I knew this was it. I knew Radu was not a person but a thing, and that the featured spirit was the Meritocrat, and I knew the ultimate confrontation between David, Ishmael and the Meritocrat was going to take place in this episode, on Christmas Day.
M: So you admit the Meritocrat is a ghost.
D: He’s a supernatural being. I wouldn’t say ghost. Ghost is too easy for what the Meritocrat is….He’s an idea.
M: An idea.
D: More than anything, he’s a movement, a force of the future, a compulsion, and those few who are aware of him and what he’s doing—what he’s making countries, nations, legions of people, entire generations do to the less fortunate—are the only ones who have any hope of stopping him.
M: Stopping the meritocracy.
D: Exactly.
M: Do you think that’s possible?
D: Stopping the meritocracy? I think the ending to “Radu” answers that question.
M: “Radu” really does end with a bang, doesn’t it?
D: There’s some whimpering from David about midway through, but other than that yes, I’d say it ends with a bang.
M: How do you feel about Christ figures in literature?
D: Um….
M: Just asking. After all, the Meritocrat makes the “If you know God…” comment, there’s the shape of the torture table in “Radu”, the fact that the thirteenth episode takes place on Christmas Day, and the title of the book itself. He Who Shall Remain Shameless—a play on He Who Shall Remain Nameless, right?
D: Again, I’m going to plead no comment on this one, and say it’s time for me to open presents with my family.
M: It’s time for us too. Thanks, David, for taking the time here with us.
D: Thanks for giving me these opportunities. They’re very much appreciated.